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We love women in bikinis!

Last Updated: Monday, May 03, 2010, 16:45
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As Belgium has already banned the ‘oppressive’ Islamic veil ‘Burqa’ and France is all set to follow suit, we in the third world are wondering if these countries are going to declare ‘bikini’ as their national attire.

There is no denying the fact that European women are a gorgeous lot and bikini suits them to the hilt, but does it mean that a nation should ban all its women from covering themselves up? I wonder!

When I was in school, a seemingly frustrated, middle-aged English teacher, who was a self proclaimed custodian of Indian culture once told me that he fails to understand the concept of semi-clad women being considered ‘modern’ and ‘progressive’, after all, human beings used to be naked before the advent of clothes. So going back to nudity can’t be considered “progress”!

At that time, it was all Greek for an eighth standard student, but now I can easily make out the inherent meaning of his words and couldn’t but empathize.

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above mentioned views might be considered typical of a ‘middle class Muslim’, so I want to give a simple logic to support my argument.

The preachers of democracy across the world propagate ‘freedom of expression’ as one of the most important needs of human life. The way one dresses up is purely a matter of personal choice and a way of expression. How can you terminate the most basic fundamental right in the name of liberating people from ‘oppressive customs’?

Another point that I want to put forward is that if forcing a woman to wear ‘Burqa’ against her will is a crime (now punishable under new laws in Belgium and France), don’t you think forcing a woman not wear something against her will should also be considered a crime.

I just fail to understand the logic behind banning ‘Burqa’; after all how can a country deny the most basic right of a woman - to cover herself up?

I have grown up in a pretty conservative middle-class Muslim family of Bihar, where we followed all Islamic customs religiously. But even then, I never came across a single incident when anyone forced the women in the family to wear ‘Burqa’; it was always a matter of personal choice for them.

It is a matter of personal choice and freedom and governments should not interfere in it.

I must admit that I am not complaining though. After all, France is a country where even the President can have an extramarital affair and the First Lady can roam around in a bikini. We, in the third world, are too underdeveloped to understand such “progress”.

And, having said all, which man wouldn’t like the sight of a bikini-clad Carla Bruni?

We too, the poor and deprived people of third world, love women in bikinis!
(The views expressed by the author are personal)
gsb - kerala
i think burqa is banned only in public places. they did not ask not to dress properly, but not to wear burqa in public. haven`t you seen women in decent attire in india without wearing a burqa. in india you can do anything. i can see all muslims crying about burqa ban in other countries. then why you secular muslims not criticising the lack of freedom in arab countries? or taliban demolishing buddha statues? muslims want to practise their religion as they wish in whatever part of the world they are in. but they would not let others do the same where they are majority.
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Biased Blogging - Janpath
they say when someone keeps repeating something, they are trying to get a point across. however, apparently, some people just copy and paste their words in expectation of a different result. point that needs to be understood is simple:

1. france and belgium are not forcing any women to wear tight clothing or bikinis as this biased blogger sharique n siddiquie seems to be suggesting.

2. france and belgium do not wish to follow saudi culture and have come up with clear guidelines as to how people in their country are expected to act and behave.

3. the issue is not religious.

4. people need to follow their personal beliefs inside their homes. once outside, they cannot impose their beliefs on others. simple as that.
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Mansoor Nizami - Hyderabad
what more can we try to hard headed people when they are unable to understand their own religions script, if one can not follow their gods word how can we human teach them or convince them to the right path.
as i said earlier which is enough for a wise person who got faith is his own religion…..
please refer rigveda-book #8 hymn 33, verse-19 which states: brahma has made you lady therefore cast down your eyes and don’t look up, put your feet together and let’s not wear a garments reveals what your veil conceals.
please refer: mahavir charitra act # 2 page -71 which states: when sri ram, when he see’s parshuram he tells sita, parshuram is our elder you cast thy eyes and draw the veil
have you seen any hindu follow these veda’s, the answer is no, but many will jump to prove his doing is right. (a hindu women should wear veil per the above quotes)
i will write quotation on christianity regarding veil: where in bible it says that if women doesn’t cover her hairs then her head shall be shaved off… believe me such stringent word…. (a christian women got to cover their head per above quote…but christian women (west) doesn’t even cover the personal organs).
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Ishisich - mumbai
its impossible to hide a bomb in a bikini ....its easiest to hide arsenal in the burqha......
i don`t care for religious reasons but it really gives me chills when i don`t know who is carrying what inside a black gown!!!
as far as the matter of choice is concerned , unfortunately it has been this approach of the muslims that has made sure that they shall stand out of the crowd and sometimes take out the crowd....islam and rationale two completely different things.....you gotta make your choice.
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jan - bby
i have no words of wisdom from multiple holy books. i have a brain that works, and i use it within the social and civic context to decide what to do, and follow some basic rules. when in some islamic countries like saudi, all other religions are banned, and you cannot carry a picture of god or your holy book or a cross, it means that they consider themselves superior. and when other countries see that these people come to their country as immigrants, and try to change france into saudi, french have a problem.and it is their country, if they wanted burkha, they can always go back to saudi or dubai. when in france, you live like them. as saudi is forcing you to do. and banning burkha does not mean it is forcing you to wear a bikini. do not be silly enough to write arguments like this that make no sense.and sara, you have to look good to wear a bikini. i can understand your anger against it.
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Human Being - Earth
people - get a grip.

belgium and france have banned burqa. they are not suggesting that women should wear bikinis or any other tight clothing. all they are suggesting is that burqa has no place in their society where they consider men and women to be equals.

and why find a fault with that?

and if you do, i say that not only women, but the following as well should be made to wear a burqa:

1. men
2. children
3. birds
4. animals
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Indian -  
i think you are amongs those whose are not really hurt by the banning of burka but more hurt as muslims are hurt.women of other community doesn`t wear burka in india itself doesn`t mean that they are not covered.burka only depicts a communal coverage more than anything.if france have banned burka and they have some anger towards a community then let us talk about that rather talking on burka.
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Mamta Sharma - New Delhi
in today`s society (world over)... it has become a fash to condemn anything that is considered to be sore ``islamic``... n get applauded for that may be that is the reason why i heard a couple of my frnds saying that wow they did a great act but i completely go with wat u have written what to wear n wat not to wear is entirely a matter of personal choice so just like makin women wear burqa forcefully is wrong the same goes the other way round as well for me it a thumbs up!
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ghouse Qadri - Hyderabad
it is very unfortunate that real islam is crushed between the two extremes. one extreme is that europe is banning the veil. other extreme is that women is almost prisoned behind burqa. real islam, as hundreds of those will witness who are embracing islam even in this testing time, is a religion of righteousness, kindness, justice and tolerance. the veil, beard, pajama above the ankles, shrines, qawwalies and prophet`s birthday celebrations are secondary. those people who have changed the priority are the real culprit. if the islam does not exhibit in the character of the muslims, then whatever they are fighting for is not islam but something else. just like hinduism. hinduism is a religion of tolerance and brotherhood. but what rss and whole sanghparivar is presenting is nothing but terrorism disguised in the name of dharma.
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vivek - india , jaipur
it is a security threat.... or
it is against the human rights... there should be a middle path for this.. may be a unique identity card..
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amoghavarsha.ii - Bangalore
siddiquie, no body forced burqa....in your family....is highly unbeliveable...considering u coming from conservative muslim family...common, be honest to yourself first.
the queen of saudiarabia when she visited french president was not inside a walking tent.... give a break....check the photos from web....burqa is a secuirty threat when the person is not revealing herself on orders to do...period...insed a burqa u can hide anything...
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Bhaskar - Kuwait
i live in conservative islamic country and here, a few weeks ago, the newspapers ran an article clarifying that the koran has never explicitly recommended the veil. this has been supported by jordan`s queen rania and many muslim clerics from egypt too. there is therefore no a religious compulsion but a cultural practice. in this cultural practice, facts depict that males have dominated this issue. others look at it as a cultural identity and are proud. but when you stand out, you are subject to possible discrimination. the reasons given in europe are primarily for security. finally, if you go to a foreign land, you should respect the culture of the hosts, rather than promote your own culture. do that in your own country. people who gel, do better economically and mentally. others drop out.
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RAMESH - PARBANI
dear if any one says to your beloved mother to wear bikni how you feel, first think and write columns
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Prashant - United Kingdom
if you failed to understand then go to school/college/uni and learn something constructive. you seem to be not aware what`s happening around you or in the world. i read few comments from even some muslims readers and i simply agree with them for banning burkha. i pity on you as you seem to be educated (writing in enlish), but, not having realism about extremism and terrorism. i have a doubt about your ability to write a blog here with your useless and rubbish views.
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sara khan - Bombay
yes islamic country dont allow women to run around in bikni. ture they dont allowed. but why dont u allow u r mother & sister to walk in bikini & bra in u r home & outside home? first u try it let see how it impact to you & others. best of luck (rags). let see people enjoys seeing u r mother and sister in 2 pcs cloth. u people r sick, u need a doctor.
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Bhat - India
i have seen young girls in veils ..i do not believe they are wearing the veil without compulsion ??!!as a woman myself find it hard to belive any woman would wear the `burqa` out of choice. my muslim friend told me her husband hates the `burqah` and has asked her to avoid wearing one and she is delighted ..so ??
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N.AZMI - UAE
well said but mr,ramesh try to understand sharique.in india not only muslim but non muslims culture is also beleive in pardah (ghoongat) for women & no body like his mother be in bikini but think if some body ask our mother to removed there aanchal what u feel?
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Mansoor Nizami - Hyderabad
many comments i read on burqa (veil) some favoring and some opposing and i am sure all of us (including me) has very less knowledge about our own religions, but we speak much unknowingly wrong things first about our religion and then others too. we should first understand what our religion has to say about our lives and how we should live isn’t it.
let me speak you the truth, muslim is the only people in the world who strives to practice their religion at the most. rest all religions are not been practiced as it should have to be, almost all major religions speaks many things about human life i will name few points like, alchohol. idol worship, one god, and veil, today i will write about veil since our topic/comments are on veil.
lets see what hinduism speaks about veil:
please refer rigveda-book #8 hymn 33, verse-19 which states: brahma has made you lady therefore cast down your eyes and don’t look up, put your feet together and let’s not wear a garments reveals what your veil conceals.
please refer: mahavir charitra act # 2 page -71 which states: when sri ram, when he see’s parshuram he tells sita, parshuram is our elder you cast thy eyes and draw the veil
have you seen any hindu follow these veda’s, the answer is no, but many will jump to prove his doing is right.
the above two quotes i am sure many hindus are not aware of as we muslim also do not know many things, but one fact will remain truth and every honest person will agree that only muslims practice islam as max as possible.
i will write quotation on christianity regarding veil: where in bible it says that if women doesn’t cover her hairs then her head shall be shaved off… believe me such stringent word….even then christians do not follow their own religion and roam in bikini’s and many so called civilized people who actually doesn’t want to see their sisters and wives wearing bikini’s but, passes comments who follows their religion and striving to do good deeds.
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Sunil - USA
hijab/burqa are a security threat. belgium and france are right in banning it from public places. i hope rest of the world also follows in this commonsense law and bans it. it is also a social suppression of women.
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Ahmed - Delhi
why you guys living in fantasy world.no one force anyone to wear bikini,its only they ban wearing clothes covering face.one can wear jeans,salwaar,saree anything then from where the bikini comes in.if you guys are jealous at western women and fantasize to see them in bikini then its your problem friends.
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rags -  
simple question,
will an islamic country allow non- muslim women wear bikini? its all rubbish. freedom is most important. freedom to do, wear and not wear acc to one`s choice. i think we all enjoy a lot of freedom in india, but too idiotic to accept it. just see our lawlessness. how many actually abide by laws?
and as they say, `` god begins where science ends`` , so for now my advice to all youngsters is to think out of their own brains, and leave religious fanaticism to senile religious leaders. we need brains to solve earths problems , not burkhas or puja. and also looks at us, we are all created by the same god, what we wear shud not be such a debate. bikini, no bikini, how does it matter. its just skin.if skin mattered so much, then all the supermodels wud be the most important people in the world. a women shud be able to do all she likes, including wear a burka if she likes it.
i am fed up with these religious discussions. the funny part is, no one spoke of all these b4 9/11. the burkhas are increasing, so are the bans. i think we need to settle down now, and refocus on issues at hand. nationalistic and religious ideals are destructive and shud not be encouraged. we need a whole lot of rational individuals now more than ever.
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Abraham - Bombay
every religion teach peace, love & brotherhood. agree with you all. but no religion teach how to deal with alchol, divorce, incest, suiside, crime, gambling, surplus women, and more its only islam teach how to deal wit this. womens beauty is for her husband not for world, if muslim women want to cover there body then wat is the problem. there is no religion on the face of earth who gives the respect to women its only islam. one thing i have to say, there is a louisana motors they advert the flier a car, & on the top of car they advert the women in the bikini. i want to know women have to do with second hand car on it. & now they world taken a difffernt route to harrased the muslims, in near future they will ask for top freedom, wat it mean is women want a freedom to go without top showing the breast on the street. why because man go without shirts on the street so now they are aking the same, wait & watch it will come soon to india also. all dirty & filrty ideas come from western & american countires so this the one also. one if u want to fall in guttur who stops, do it. islam teachs wat is lawfull & wat is unlawfull, who is mother, who is sister, wat is lawfull(halal) & waht is unlawfull (haram), wath is nikha & what is zina (adultury) what is interest, what is halal earning. follow what is best not just follow what american & western countires do. un loggo ki tho izzat, tazeeb utar chokki hai aur who humaari utar ne pe hai
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RIZWAN - delhi
i appreciate the views of my friend sharique n siddiquie, who is of the opinion that this is the basic principle of democracy to have freedom of choice. but my dear friend, i want to argue that, it is the systamatic attempt of the patriarchy acrross the religions survived on the earth that they caonsidered the women as therir commodity, which is exclusively made and created for their sexual gratification and satisfaction. since, parda pratha in india, got its origin due to the muslim envaders in the middle centuty, hindu male dominated society forced hindu women to let them sacrifies after their death and vailed untill they survive. this tradition continued till raja ram mohan roy took the initiative in 1820s, when he saw his own sinster in law was compelled to lay down her life after the death of her husband. this was stigma, which was originated in the form ofg the tradition of vail, due to the compelled circumstances.

irrespective of all religions, in islam, tyhe female counterparts also tended to be nurtured and brought up that the veil is essential for them, hence the caes is not the same. this was the practice which was originally statted in the arabian world, where the baberic tribes were oftenly invaded the womens of oter tribes and commit sexual violence against them. as a result, it become convencing fact that women in isam, would be safe if they wear burqa (vail).

antanio gramsci, on the other hand, give logic that it is the vested interested of the elite in the society that due to their convincing ideas spread through the religious teaching and other non-coercive instruments, hegemons (depends upon the society) try to tight the grip over the masses. sincce, women in islam , have been given less iomportance, they tend to be hegomonised through psycologically convincing illogical facts, that veil is good for them. whatever the basic values those are supposed to be given in the family, through the religious teaching, become unchallangable later on by the individuals. there is basic question tha5t why all the muslim heads of the state, country, judiciary or bureaucracy wear vail? are thy not following teh religion? since these women represents the elite class and culture in the muslim religion, so they are exempted. why sania mirza at the time of playing not waer burqa? she can`t. we have to follow the basic norms of the democratic society. women are most dedppresed section ofg the society than any other. let them decidde what they want to wear or not. any prominent muslim scholar didn`t comment on the incident of belgiam,s incident. why only men speak about them? let give them freedom. this only will strengthen the democratic values of society and religion. remember one fact, according to jeremy bemtham, even a single person on the earth has a right to be descent.
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Amit - Chennai
few things i want to understand
1. is any country made a rule to force women to wear bikini? no, it`s just writers imagination who actually want to see them in bikini. isn`t it?

2. in hindu culture the parda is for respect. do see many women having parda in daily life? it is only, if happen, during ceremonies where elders of family joins.

3. muslim women are forced to wear burka. i had seen in my friends family.

4. did the rule says they can not wear had scarf? though it is not allowed in school but outside they can. only thing these country wants to ban is to hide the face. women can still go out wearing robe from shoulder to toe and a head scarf. now why you people have problem?
in fact people against this is not because of religion, it is just that they don`t want to live in ``present``, they love to be in midival age.
grow up, world is changing. it is no more the same world when mugal emporers pick up any beautiful looking girl for there heram. that was the main reason why girls/women started wearing burqua.
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nisar - mysore
i dont know when it is coming somthing against islam every non muslim join together without realising the true fact i think they all want to see their sister and mother in bikni first france & belgium has to ask church sister to remove there covering from theare head and weare bikni every religion has asked there women to modest and cover properlly its upto u to chose what is right or wrong we muslim onlly follow what is teach in islam
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Bablu - India
dear all,

we should not count and measure everything with religion. religion is all about a culture and that helps on to upbringings of your life in a cultural manner.

this is pathetic to say one who belongs to hindu should not marry to a muslim girl or vise versa. this seems all about getting the undue mileage for highlighting to gain the popularity in public.

we are a civilized person and should remove all these unwanted anomalies which create differences within us (hindu/muslim etc…). i can bet if something is done for a good cause and someone who comes up proclaims that something is against a religion, immediately should be asked to that individual as where so called things are mentioned in the book (geeta/quran). if the same is happening with them (so called protectionist of religion) none of the things come in picture because we none of us (civilized) interfere unnecessarily. please bear that in mind and let us move ahead.

that’s all are being done for the good cause and we should support it. just guess if someone in burka and hiding bomb standing with and going to blast. later of that incident every one realize it, i wish, could have checked the burka and the incident could have been avoided”.

best regards.
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Indian Origin Resident of USA - USA
every culture has its own idea of modesty.

and no culuture is right or wrong...or inferior or superior. it is just how you were brought up that makes you judge others.

we were all created naked...in nature, like other animals.

so all these claims of moral superiority are ridiculous.

only...i agree...if you have a right to undress - you should you have an equal right to cover! i suppose....

being fully covered in a veil must bug some though...

best wishes
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Sarth - Chennai
in islam it is a rule to give respecte to women.so as per their laws a women is given a respected position in socity.

but... this is only for their women.
means they respect only women of their religion. in case of a women of other religiuon they don`t pay much respect.

the men in saudi strictly force teir women to wear burka,but lot of saudis spend their weekend holidays at bahrin with russian girls(prostitutes). they should think that these russian girls are also women.....

if it is question of strict rules ,then every one should follow this.

even in india if a muslim guy flirts with advanced hindu girl,then they take it lightly, but if a hindu guy flirts with a muslim girl they become angry...


so i want to say 1 thing . if there is a strict rule then every one should follow it completely..
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anand, mumbai - mumbai
the burka banning started due to terrarism, western countries asking not to hide faces of people specially all bomb blast made by muslims, but terarist are taking the advantages of this burka and travelling worldwide without showing themself so for the safty purpose they try to ban the burka thats all.
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Abhi - mumbai
hey,

do you know difference between parda and anchal? it seems no. becuse they ban on parda not achal.

u should understand the female point of view....it is gross human rights violation...you people treat female as a item rather than human being...thnat is the reason some time back 80 year old muslim man married to 13 year old girl and divorce later...may be after fulfilling of sex desires..,

do not support all the things just some one is muslim ...


there is no bini
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Mohammed - UAE
well where is he coming from??? ban on veil in west is a human rights issue and lawfully forced burqa for every woman in 50 deg c heat in soudi is ``culture``...
its high time muslims learn to get along or get out of the way.
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Er Syed Shauzab Abidi - lucknow
the beauty of a woman:
is not in the clothes she wears,
the figure that she carries,
or the way she combs her hair,
or the style she does make up.
the beauty of a woman:
must be seen in her hijab, and her eyes,
because that is the doorway to her heart,
the place where love resides.
the beauty of a woman:
is not in a facial mol
but true beauty in a woman,
is reflected in her soul.
the beauty of woman is in her modesty.
and the real glamour of her is her honesty.
it is the caring that she lovingly gives,
the passion that she shows.
and the beauty of a woman,
with passing years - only grows!
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Khan - india
wonderfull said....recently one mail is doing the rounds which shows nicolas sarkozy and obama peeping at a women with her buttocks clearly visible from her thin clothes...so on one hand they say freedom of choice but when it comes to freedom of choice they say no no here we will dictate...how can u be chaste our dirty eyes want to see you ...so the ban...wow this is called double standard
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Ahmed - Delhi
this guy is talking nonsense.these european countries only ban women from wearing clothes which hides their face which means hiding their identity and they don`t force anyone to walk in bikini.why there is so much hungama,just cover all your body and keep the face free so one can identify a person that`s all.
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INDIAN - ayodha
the dispute has started by you people not us
the terrorism had brought by you not us.
the land was divided by you not us.
the difference between saffron and green created by you

6th december-1992 to last day of universe

as an human all i request all the brotherhood of the universe remain one and fight for peace.
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