Differences persist but India, Pakistan decide to remain ‘engaged’
India secured an assurance from Pakistan that it would act on the leads given by David Headley to unravel the 26/11 conspiracy.
Islamabad: India Thursday secured an assurance from Pakistan that it would act on the leads given by Pakistani-American terrorist David Headley to unravel the conspiracy behind the Mumbai terror attack even as the two countries agreed to continue their dialogue.
At the conclusion of day-long discussions between external affairs minister SM Krishna and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi, it was announced that the two ministers would meet next in India in the near future.
It was clear that during the "frank, candid and honest" discussions the two sides had vigorously flagged their known concerns--terrorism for India and Jammu and Kashmir for Pakistan.
The two ministers held a joint press conference, delayed by several hours due to extended talks, at which both stuck to positive overtones which could not camouflage the sharp differences on Jammu and Kashmir in particular.
There were some testy moments during the 40-minute press conference when the two ministers were asked questions on provocative anti-India statements regularly being made by LeT chief Hafiz Saeed and recent disturbances in the Kashmir valley.
A curt Qureshi took exception to home secretary GK Pillai`s remarks two days that Headley had revealed to interrogators that ISI and Saeed had played a "much more significant role" in planning and executing the Mumbai terror attacks.
Asked about Saeed`s statements, Qureshi told the questioner that both sides should refrain from negative speeches that vitiate the atmosphere and then asked, "On the eve of this dialogue tell me to what extent" the Indian home secretary`s remarks help.
"We both (ministers) are of the opinion that it was uncalled for," Qureshi said without any refutation from Krishna.
On his part, Krishna firmly handled questions on the current situation and alleged human rights violations in Kashmir, telling the journalists that there was an elected and legitimate government in the state. Also there were mechanisms to deal with any human rights violations anywhere in India.
The meeting with journalists was held after Krishna had called on President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani in between three rounds of parleys with Qureshi.He flies back home tomorrow.
Qureshi stated that Pakistan would pursue seriously the leads provided by home minister P Chidambaram on the basis of Headley`s interrogation.
Krishna said he had got assurance from the "highest level of leadership" of Pakistan that the leads provided by Chidambaram on the basis of Headley`s interrogation would be investigated so that the conspiracy behind the Mumbai attacks is unravelled and perpetrators of the carnage punished.
He said Qureshi had also assured him that the "investigation in Mumbai attacks, taking into account the latest leads provided by David Headley and conveyed to Pakistan by the Home Minister, will be pursued vigorously to unravel the conspiracy."
He said "perhaps, that could be the best confidence-building measure".
The external affairs minister also pressed for speedy trial of the seven 26/11 arrested accused in Pakistan.
Responding to this, Qureshi said to take the judicial process in Pakistan forward, there will be requirement of the magistrate and other Indian officials who recorded the statement of Ajmal Kasab, the lone Mumbai attacker arrested, to appear before a Pakistani court.
He said he had discussed this issue with Krishna in the context of speeding up the trial process.
To a question by a Pakistani journalist about alleged involvement of India in fuelling unrest in Balochistan, Krishna asserted that Pakistan had not provided "any shred of evidence" in this regard.
He noted that this had found mention during the meeting between the Prime Ministers of the two countries in Sharm-el-Sheikh in July last year and since then India has been "waiting" for evidence from Pakistan.
"Forget about credible evidence, not even a shred of evidence has been given by Pakistan. If any evidence is given, the government of India will look into it," Krishna said.
Qureshi pitched in, saying during his meeting with Chidambaram last month, he had raised the issue of Balochistan and the Indian Home Minister had told him that India was not interested in destabilising Pakistan.
"His statement was encouraging," the foreign minister said.
Krishna said he had also raised with Qureshi the issue of infiltration of terrorists from Pakistan, which has witnessed a 40 per cent increase from 2008.
On this, Qureshi said he had "categorically reiterated" the position that "infiltration is not the policy of government of Pakistan or any intelligence agencies of Pakistan. Period."
He said he had told Krishna that "if there are individuals having crossed over, deal with them firmly and Pakistan will cooperate."
There are mechanisms in place to deal with issues like infiltration and ceasefire violations, Qureshi said, adding that he had suggested that Director Generals of Military Operations (DGMOs), who talk on weekly basis, was the most appropriate forum to sort these out.
The Pakistan foreign minister said he had discussed with Krishna the recent developments in Kashmir, "human rights
violations" and imposition of curfew in a number of cities and
"use of armed forces for law and order and loss of lives".
He said it was an "issue of concern to everyone, including the elected chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir (Omar Abdullah)" and in this regard referred to recent statement of Abdullah that progress in Indo-Pak talks would help.
Krishna noted that there is an elected government and "legitimate" chief minister in Jammu and Kashmir and maintaining law and order under the Indian Consitution is the
exclusive prerogative of the state government.
Justifying the deployment of army in Kashmir, he said that if the state government felt that it is unable to maintain law and order and to protect human rights, then certainly they could always look to New Delhi, the federal government, for any kind of assistance.
On allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir, he said there were institutionalised networks and NGOs that take care of human rights violations, if any.
"Any violation which takes place in India is immediately taken up by organisations like the Human Rights Commission and
anyone can approach the Human Rights Commission. Hence, I
would like to reassure my friends that the state government
and the appropriate agencies which are in-charge of taking
care of human rights will certainly take up any violations
that is brought to their notice," Krishna said.
The external affairs minister said today`s talks had helped in better understanding between the two countries.
"We are starting a journey cognisant of complexities in the relations, challenges that lie ahead and the promise that
good neighbourly relations hold," he said.
He said the two leaders discussed steps to promote trust
and confidence in keeping with the mandate given to them by
their respective prime ministers.
Qureshi echoed similar views and said "we have to respect India`s point of view and India has to understand our point of view. So, together we have to evolve."
He noted that India-Pakistan relations have been "complex" and seen "difficulties" and the two countries were trying to build friendly relations.
Cong slams Qureshi`s remarks
There was a huge uproar today over Qureshi`s remarks on Home Secretary with the Congress party defending the latter saying that he was merely explaining India`s stand.
The party asserted that there was no basis for equating terrorists with the Home Secretary.
Party spokesperson Abhishek Singhvi while talking to reporters underlined the need for dialogue with Pakistan saying, "The alternative to have differences in talks is to have no talks at all."